The following subjects were covered on the Kathy Herman show 
(K-TKK or 'K-TALK' Radio, Salt Lake City, Utah;  AM-63, 10:00-
12:00 P.M. Sunday night, July 4, 1993).  Her guest that evening 
was Anthony J. Hilder:

-- TIME magazine was started by a member of the SKULL & BONES
SOCIETY.
-- The so-called 'Bohemian Grove' is a SUPER-SECRET playground 
for the pagan elite (Illuminati), in which sources have alleged the elite 
such as George Bush and others have been seen wandering around 
in black robes and in some cases in the nude.
-- ZAPATA OIL is largely owned by the Bush family.  'Zapata' is a
name associated with the first Communist Revolution.
-- There is an 'Illuminati pyramid' being built in Las Vegas which is 
intended to play a part in the planned 'NEW WORLD ORDER'.
-- The Illuminati planned to carry out their works in the darkness or 
in secret, as opposed to Christianity which teaches that whatever 
divine truth one may hear in secret -- one should tell or teach others 
about what they've learned.
-- The technology is already here to inject ID chips or implants into 
the hands of human beings.
-- BROWN BROTHERS HARRIMAN, I. G. FARBEN, and GENERAL
ELECTRIC helped to finance Adolph Hitler's war machine during 
World War II.  George Bush has stated that everything he was 'today' 
he owed to the Rockefellers (who owned the oil companies which 
supplied oil to Nazi Germany).
-- 'OPERATION PAPERCLIP' was an operation to bring Nazi scientists 
from Germany to America.  OSS, Interpol, CIA and the Nazis were all 
working together under the Illuminati.
-- Anthony Hilder referred to some friends of his, one of them from
Alaska, who were in the desert outside of Area 51 when the 'Wackenhut 
S.S.' (as he calls them) came out with their sub-machine guns, unmarked 
broncos, and so-on and harassed them and warned them to leave the
PUBLIC land they were on.  After they left, Hilder's friends decided to 
remain and watch regardless.  Eventually they felt a powerful rumbling
coming from the direction of the Groom Lake complex, then move 
UNDERNEATH (underground) southwards.  About half a minute later 
the whole sky lit up as if something had emerged from the ground and 
shot up into the sky.
-- A Mr. Otto Scorzeny helped to establish a working link between the 
CIA and the Nazi S.S. in certain projects, according to one individual 
who called in.
-- Hilder's videos and tapes could be obtained from the following
address:  P.O. Box 1122.,  Malabu, CA  90265.
-- One caller stated that he had heard that the Illuminati has estab-
lished several 'underground cities'.  Hilder stated that these were 
most likely the huge 'Black Project Bases' referred to by several 
researchers (which have been constructed with the use of American 
tax dollars, international drug profits, etc., and are intended to be 
used as places of 'refuge' for the 'elite' in the event of a global cata-
clysm, whether natural or man-made. - Wol.).
-- In Aug. 23, 1939 Adolph Hitler made a secret pact with the
Communists.
-- The Dulce facility in New Mexico was mentioned, along with the
possible 'Nazi Scientist' connection to the facility.  Hilder quoted 
from Bill Hamilton's book 'COSMIC TOP SECRET', including
references made by former Dulce base Security officer Thomas 
E. Castello [who had an ULTRA-7 security clearance] concerning 
hundreds or possibly thousands of humans who were/are being 
held in cage-like enclosures on level 7 of the underground facility, 
with whom Castello and others were forbidden to communicate.

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(3819)  Sun 17 Jan 93 20:49
By: Don Allen
To: All
Re: WackenSPY - 2/5
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 * Originally to All
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(Note: Although the founder of Wackenhut professes to be anti-Communist,
his CIA connections would seem to align him with the other extreme -- pro-
Fascist.  The only difference is that Communsm is totalitarianism wherein
private wealth and ownership is 're-distributed' to the political elite; and
Fascism is totalitarianism wherein private wealth and ownership is allowed
yet the people and their wealth must serve the dictates of the political elite.
The worst political system of all would be a combination of Communism
and Fascism, or "National Socialism" wherein an individual -- presuming
they are a member of the 'elite' race or group -- would be allowed private
ownership of property which must be used according to the dictates of the
elite [as with Italian fascism], yet they themselves would be required to work
in whatever capacity the "state" decides, by placing them in federally con-
trolled or 'nationalized' factories and so on [as with Cuban communism].
This combination of fascism-communism creates not merely psychological
or economic worker 'slaves', but actually offers an extension of the 'elite'
status.  The follower is not merely a psychological slave as in fascism nor
an economic slave as in communism, they become willing co-workers with
the elite [a powerful incentive] and those who OPPOSE national socialism
become the enemies or psychological or economic slaves of the elite and
the "elite in training", -- as in the occupied European countries that the Nazis
conquered during World War II.  In other words, slap a uniform on a teenager,
play on their ego and tell him or her that they have the opportunity to become
one with the elite or master class via initiation and obedience, and one can
motivate them to do almost anything "for the greater glory" of the "Reich".
On the other side of the political spectrum, or more accurately the political
'cycle' or 'circle', is the Democratic and Republican movements.  Although
the liberal "public to government rule" beliefs of Democracy can be taken
to the extreme of anarchy and the "government to public rule" beliefs of
Republicanism can be taken to the extreme of oligarchy, a truly benevolent
system must be a balanced combination of the two, a "Democratic Republic"
wherein the power is equally distributed between the people and the govern-
ment, as in an electorial Congressional system.  The CONGRESS is where
the power should be concentrated, NOT in the White House itself at the one
extreme NOR in the local governments themselves at the other extreme.
However, with the interference of NON-ELECTED economic, media and
political interests, such a system has not been allowed to operate as it
should have here in America, as least as it was envisioned by the founding
fathers of the UNION.  A 'balanced' government would be the most beneficial
to all concerned.  One can view this in the following analogy:  It is undesirable
and unprofitable for a horse to run wild with no fences to prevent it from run-
ning away [extreme liberalism]; and in the same manner keeping a horse
locked away in a stall all of the time would be just as unprofitable [extreme
conservitism], as it would eventually become useless to the owner for lack
of exercise, motivation and freedom.  However... allowing the horse to run
FREE yet within in a large and spaceous fenced-in pasture would be the
most desirable state.  It will be free enough to be content with its position,
yet restricted enough so as not to become lost and turn wild.  The same
should be true with a beneficial system of human government... a perfect
balance between freedom and justice.  If 'conservatism' is taken to the
extreme by 'Republicans' it can lead to fascism, and if 'liberalism' is taken
to the extreme by 'Democrats' it can lead to communism.  And if commu-
nism and fascism are taken to their extremes they can lead to... well, look
at the Nazis!  I just thought I'd share these thoughts with the reader at this
point.  Please forgive my rantings, although these thoughts may not have
any direct connection to this file, I feel that this is an appropriate place to
aire them. - Wol.)

...The second thing that helped make George Wackenhut successful
was that he was, and is, a hard-line right-winger. He was able to profit
from his beliefs by building up dossiers on Americans suspected of being
Communists or merely left-leaning-"subversives and sympathizers," as
he put it -- and selling the information to interested parties. According to
Frank Donner, the author of "Age of Surveillance", the Wackenhut Corp-
oration maintained and updated its files even after the McCarthyite
hysteria had ebbed, adding the names of antiwar protesters and civil-
rights demonstrators to its list of "derogatory types." By 1965, Wacken-
hut was boasting to potential investors that the company maintained
files on 2.5 million suspected dissidents -- one in 46 American adults
then living. In 1966, after acquiring the private files of Karl Barslaag; a
former staff member of the House Committee on Un-American Activities,
Wackenhut could confidently maintain that with more than 4 million
names, it had the largest privately held file on suspected dissidents in
America. In 1975, after Congress investigated companies that had private
files, Wackenhut gave its files to the now-defunct anti-Communist Church
League of America of Wheaton, Illinois. That organization had worked
closely with the red squads of big-city police departments, particularly
in New York and L.A., spying on suspected sympathizers; George
Wackenhut was personal friends with the League's leaders, and was
a major contributor to the group. To be sure, after giving the League its
files, Wackenhut reserved the right to use them for its clients and friends.

Wackenhut had gone public in 1965 ; George Wackenhut retained 54
percent of the company. Between his salary and dividends, his annual
compensation approaches $2 million a year, sufficient for him to live in
a $20 million castle in Coral Gables, Florida, complete with a moat and
18 full-time servants. Today the company is the third-largest investigative
security firm in the country, with offices throughout the United States and
in 39 foreign countries.

It is not possible to overstate the special relationship Wackenhut enjoys
with the federal government. It is close. When it comes to security matters,
Wackenhut in many respects *is* the government. In 1991, a third of the
company's $600-million in revenues came from the federal government,
and another large chunk from companies that themselves work for the
government, such as Westinghouse.

Wackenhut is the largest single company supplying security to U.S.
embassies overseas; several of the 13 embassies it guards have been in
important hotbeds of espionage, such as Chile, Greece and El Salvador.
It also guards nearly all the most strategic government facilities in the
U.S., including the Alaskan oil pipeline, the Hanford nuclear-waste facility,
the Savannah River plutonium plant and the Strategic Petroleum Reserve.

Wackenhut maintains an especially close relationship with the federal
government in other ways as well. While early boards of directors included
such prominent personalities of the political right as Captain Eddie Ricken-
backer; General Mark Clark and Ralph E. Davis, a John Birch Society
leader, current and recent members of the board have included much of
the country's recent national-security directorate: former FBI director
Clarence Kelley; former Defense secretary and former CIA deputy director
Frank Carlucci: former Defense Intelligence Agent director General Joseph
Carroll; former U.S. Secret Service director James J. Rowley; former Marine
commandant P. X. Kelley; and acting chairman of President Bush's foreign-
intelligence advisory board and former CIA deputy director Admiral Bobby
Ray Inman. Before his appointment as Reagan's CIA director, the late
William Casey was Wackenhut's outside legal counsel. The company
has 30,000 armed employees on its payroll.

We wanted to know more about this special relationship; but the govern-
ment was not forthcoming. Repeated requests to the Department of Energy
for an explanation of how one company got the security contracts for neariy
all of America's most strategic installations have gone unanswered.

Similarly, efforts to get the State Department to explain whether embassy
contracts were awarded arbitrarily or through competitive bidding were
fruitless; essentially, the State Department said, "Some of both. " Wacken-
hut's competitors -- who, understandably, asked not to be quoted by name
-- have their own version. "All those contracts;" said one security-firm
executive, "are just another way to pay Wackenhut for their clandestine
help. And what is the nature of that help? "It is known throughout the industry,"
said retired FBI special agent William Hinshaw, "that if you want a dirty job
done, call Wackenhut." We met George Wackenhut in his swanky, muy
macho offices in Coral Gables. The rooms are paneled in a dark, rich rose-
wood, accented with gray-blue stone. The main office is dominated by
Wackenhut's 12-foot-long desk and a pair of chairs shaped like elephants --
"Republican chairs," he calls them -- complete with real tusks, which, the
old man says with some amusement, tend to stick his visitors. The highlight
of the usual collection of pictures and awards is the Republican presidential
exhibit: an autographed photo of Wackenhut shaking hands with George
Bush (whom Wackenhut, according to a former associate, used to call
"that pinko") as well as framed photos of Presidents Reagan, Nixon and
Bush, each accompanied by a handwritten note. The chairman looks every
inch the comfortable Florida septuagenarian. The day we spoke, his clothing
ranged across the color spectrum from baby blue to light baby blue, and
he wore a iot of jewelry -- a huge gold watch on a thick gold band, two mas-
sive gold rings. But Wackenhut was, at 72, quick and tough in his responses.
Near the end of our two-and-a-half hour interview, when asked if his company
was an arm of the CIA, he snapped, "No!"

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By: Don Allen
To: All
Re: WackenSPY - 3/5
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 * Originally by Don Allen
 * Originally to All
 * Originally dated 17 Jan 1993, 20:38

<< cont from last >>

Of course, this may just be a matter of semantics. We have spoken to
numerous experts, including current and former CIA agents and analysts,
current and former agents of the Drug Enforcement Administration and
current and former Wackenhut executives and employees, all of whom
have said that in the mid-197O's, after the Senate Intelligence Committee's
revelations of the CIA's covert and sometimes illegal overseas operations,
the agency and Wackenhut grew very, very close. Those revelations had
forced the CIA to do a housecleaning, and it became CIA policy that
certain kinds of activities would no longer 'officially' be performed. But
that didn't always mean that the 'need' or the desire to undertake such
operations disappeared. And that's where Wackenhut came in.

Our sources confirm that Wackenhut has had a long-standing relation-
ship with the CIA, and that it has deepened over the last decade or so.
Bruce Berckmans, who was assigned to the CIA station in Mexico City,
left the agency in January 1975 (putatively) to become a Wackenhut
international-operations vice president. Berckmans, who left Wackenhut
in 1981, told SPY that he has seen a formal proposal George Wacken-
hut submitted to the CIA to allow the agency to use Wackenhut offices
throughout the world as FRONTS for CIA activities (apparently Wacken-
hut is not an "arm" of the CIA, it's merely a "front" for the CIA -- or so
Mr. Wackenhut would reason. - Wol.). Kichard Babayan, who says he
was a CIA contract employee and is currently in jail awaiting trial on fraud
and racketeering charges, has been cooperating with federal and congres-
sional investigators looking into illegal shipments of nuclear-and-chemical-
weapons-making supplies to Iraq. "Wackenhut has been used by the CIA
and other intelligence agencies for years," he told SPY. "When they [the
CIA] need cover, Wackenhut is there to provide it for them." Canadian
prime minister Pierre Trudeau was said to have rebuffed Wackenhut's
effort in the 1980's to purchase a weapons propellant manufacturer in
Quebec with the remark "We just got rid of the CIA -- we don't want
them back." Phillip Agee, the left-wing former CIA agent who wrote an
expose' of the agency in 1975, told us, "I don't have the slightest doubt
that the CIA and Wackenhut overlap."

There is also testimony from people who are not convicts, renegades
or Canadians. William Corbett, a terrorism expert who spent 18 years
as a CIA analyst and is now an ABC News consultant based in Europe,
confirmed the relationship between Wackenhut and the agency. "For
years Wackenhut has been involved with the CIA and other intelligence
organizations, including the DEA," he told SPY. "Wackenhut would allow
the CIA to occupy positions within the company [in order to carry out]
clandestine operations." He also said that Wackenhut would supply
intelligence agencies with information, and that it was compensated for
this -- "in a quid pro quo arrangement," Corbett says -- with government
contracts worth billions of dollars over the years.

We have uncovered considerable evidence that Wackenhut carried the
CIA's water in fighting Communist encroachment in Central America in
the 1980s (that is to say, during the Reagan administration when the CIA
director was former Wackenhut lawyer William Casey, the late superpatriot
who had a proclivity for extralegal and illegal anti-Communist covert opera-
tions such as Iran-contra). In 1981, Berckmans, the CIA agent turned
Wackenhut vice president, joined with other senior Wackenhut executives
to form the company's Special Projects Division. It was this division that
linked up with ex-CIA man John Phillip Nichols, who had taken over the
CABAZON Indian reservation in California, as we described in a previous
article ["Badlands," April 1992], in pursuit of a scheme to manufacture
explosives, poison gas and biological weapons -- and then, by virtue of
the tribe's status as a sovereign nation, to export the weapons to the
contras. This maneuver was designed to evade congressional prohibitions
against the U.S. government's helping the contras. Indeed, in an interview
with SPY, Eden Pastora, the contras' famous Commander Zero, who had
been spotted at a test of some night-vision goggles at a firing range near
the Cabazon reservation in the company of Nichols and a Wackenhut
executive, offhandedly identified that executive, A. Robert Frye, as "the
man from the CIA. " (In a subsequent conversation he denied knowing Frye
at all; of course, in that same talk he quite unbelievably denied having ever
been a contra.)

In  addition  to  attempted weapons supply, Wackenhut seems to have
been involved in Central America in other ways. Ernesto Bermudez who
was Wackenhut's director of international operations from 1987 to '89,
admitted to SPY that during 1985 and '86 he ran Wackenhut's operations
in El Salvador, where he was in charge of 1,500 men. When asked what
1,500 men were doing for Wackenhut in El Salvador, Bermudez replied
coyly, "Things." Pressed, he elaborated: "Things you wouldn't want your
mother to know about." It's worth noting that Wackenhut's annual revenues
from government contracts -- the alleged reward for cooperation in the
government's clandestine activities -- increased by 150 million, a 45
percent jump, while Ronald Reagan was in office. "You've done an awful
lot of research", George Wackenhut said to me as I was leaving. "How
would you like to run all our New York operations?"

If that was the extent of Wackenhut's possible involvement in a govern-
ment agency's attempt to circumvent the law, then we might dismiss it
as an interesting footnote to the overheated, cowboy anti-Communist
1980s. However, the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Florida
has been conducting an investigation into the illegal export of dual-use
technology -- that is, seemingly innocuous technology that can also be
used to make nuclear weapons -- to Iraq and Libya. And SPY has learned
that Wackenhut's name has come up in the federal investigation, but not
at present as a target.

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